Thursday, June 16, 2022
My Thoughts About Love Victor's Final Season
Friday, May 20, 2022
Some Thoughts About the Trailer for Love Victor Season 3
A large part of the trailer focused on who Victor is going to choose. I've made my thoughts on that clear (see past blog entries for more), but lets deal with what we can see. Based on the trailer, I suspect that Victor goes to Benji's house because there are several shots of them talking in formal wear about what is going on between Victor and Rahim. Victor clearly wants to be with Benji, but he also clearly has feelings for Rahim and he tells Benji as much. At some point, Benji says that in order for them to have a chance, he needs to work on his own issues. I was so happy to see this because I have been saying that Benji has crap he needs to work on and that he and Victor need to work on stuff before getting back together. It also appears that Victor and Rahim remain friends and that Benji avoids them, at least for a while. He also makes it clear that he is not fond of Rahim, for understandable reasons. This tension is probably going to last the entire season. My bet is that Victor is going to pull a Simon, that is, he is going to invite the person he really wants to be with to ride with him on the ferris wheel in the last episode.
And then there is Nick, the new character played by Nico Greetham. Based on what we are seeing, it appears we have another contender for Victor's affection. Nick is someone Victor meets at church, so it appears that we will be exploring a more accepting version of religion this season, which will be nice. I have to say that I really hope this is one sided because I am not sure how many complications they can sort out in 8 episodes. Unless, of course, they're going for polyamory or Victor dating all three of them at once. That could be cool.
Lucy and Lake are officially going to be dating! I am curious what this means for the two of them. I assume they're both either bi or pan given that they've both been interested in and dated guys, but I could be wrong. Seeing them have 2 girls in a relationship is going to be really cool and interesting. And Felix's response to Lake's announcement was just funny. He was clearly flummoxed and was trying to be supportive, so naturally, he starts babbling.
Felix and Pilar keeping their relationship a secret from her parents? Not entirely sure why. His parents like Felix, so it can't be that. I gonna guess that it has something to do with Felix sort of being a part of the family, but I could be wrong. And it appears that the secret keeping is her idea, not his, so this could definitely be a source of tension for the two of them.
Mia and Andrew are going strong and they both seem to want their relationship to last forever. Not sure how likely that is, but you never know. And we see them seeing her mom, so this could be a very interesting ride. Given the fact that we see Mia holding a baby (presumably her half-sibling) and we see them in school, they come back after visiting her mom.
We don't get a lot about anyone else other than glimpses, so not a whole lot more to say.
So here are a couple of guesses about what will happen:
In episode 1, Victor and Benji talk and Benji leaves. I am betting that either in the episode or at the end, there will be a time jump to have Benji gone for a while and then coming back.
As I said above, in the last episode, Victor is going to try a last gambit to be with the guy he wants and will invite them onto the ferris wheel.
Given the descriptions released earlier, it seems that this season goes into their senior year (hence part of the reason for the guess about the time jump). Victor receives an award of some sort (the speech scene) and the descriptions talk about the gang making decisions about their future, so this really makes sense. It seems that season 2 was probably the first half of junior year (based on the first season being the 2nd half of their sophomore year), so if they want to do senior year, there is going to be at least one major time jump. A time jump in the beginning makes the most sense. It's also possible that there could be a time jump near the end of the last episode. For example, Victor goes on the ferris wheel with the guy he wants and then they have a time jump to their graduation or even further ahead.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
Tuesday, February 8, 2022
Hopes for the Third (and Final!) Season of Love, Victor
So, I wanted to write up some ideas about what I would like to see for the final season. These are going to be paired as couples for the most part because that is an easy way to look at them given the genre. I will discuss individuals in each as well as the pairings.
[1] Victor- I would love for Victor to not pick between Benji and Rahim. I really want him to pick both of them. Romance is (with almost no exceptions) depicted as being a binary choice between person A or person B. Why not date both of them? Polyamory is a very real thing and it is has almost no representation on TV, so having a good polyamorous person would be cool. Both Benji and Rahim are good for him in different ways and he loves them both, so why can’t he date both of them. Not sure if this would technically be a triad (do you all have to be dating each other for a triad?) or not, but it would be cool to see. If Victor does pick Benji, the two of them have some serious work to do given how quickly things fell apart last season. As for Benji and Rahim, I just hope that they are happy.
[2] Mia and Andrew- Gotta go with these two together since they left to look for Mia’s mom in the finale. I really do hope they stay together because they are absolutely adorable together. I also hope Mia finds some peace. She is the person who has a lot of personal drama because of other people and she deserves a break. I also really hope she and her dad make up. He has some serious groveling to do because of the way he outright lied to her. He told her that he would do what she asked and then broke that as soon as he could. He needs to seriously repair their relationship if he wants things to work out.
[3] Felix and Pilar- This was a couple that I didn’t really see coming. I can’t say I am super fond of the two of them together, but I am willing to be open minded. Other than that, I can’t say I honestly have a lot of particular wishes for either. Other than romantic relationships or Felix and his mom, they have mostly been in a place of supporting Victor. Now that Felix’s mom is in a better place, I really hope the two of them can relax and enjoy themselves.
[4] Lake and Lucy- This is the one that promises to be the most interesting. I am really curious to see where this goes. Other than a few compliments, Lake has never really expressed any interest in women, but when Lucy was blatantly flirting with her, you could tell she was intrigued. I am looking forward to seeing the two of them figuring things out. It promises to be a fun and interesting time. I also look forward to seeing Lake and Felix get to a place where they can be friends. I also really want Lake to stand up to her mom and tell her how toxic she can be.
{5] Armando and Isabel- So it appears that they are back together, which will be nice. And now that Isabel has finally come around to accepting Victor, I am looking forward to seeing him bring his boyfriend(s) to the house.
[6] Adrian- Not a whole lot to say here. He has not been in it much at all, so I can’t say I have any hopes for him at all. It might be nice to see more of him, but not essential.
I would also love to see the series explore a more accepting version of religion that exists. I appreciate that they showed the reality that there are a lot of religious people who don’t accept queer people, but it would be nice to see an accepting, affirming church, not just one that is “less awful”.
Until June 15th!
Monday, August 2, 2021
Some Thoughts About Venji
I watched Love. Victor season 2 for the fourth time last night. The first few times I watch a show or movie, I tend to notice details or think of things that I hadn’t thought of before. For example, the first time watching the season, I missed that it was Felix who shouted “Yaass queen!” at the beginning of the third episode (the one right after Victor comes out in the hallway). The second time I watched, I thought it might be Felix, so I paid attention on the third time, and sure enough it was him. I have to say that that line never made much sense to me. While Felix says some odd things, that one doesn’t strike me as a very Felixlike thing to say. And that makes me wonder if it was supposed to be someone else and ended up being Felix for some reason or if Anthony decided to just shout it and the producers loved it so much that they kept it in.
Anyhow, when I watched the show for the third time, I was trying to figure out what happened to Benji and Victor. While most of the fault undoubtedly lies with Isabel and some with Victor (see my initial reaction for a lot more about this), it occurred to me that a good amount of the fault lies with Benji and I’m not talking about the AA below-the-belt shit he said. It started before that. At the end of season 1 and the beginning of season 2, Benji assured Victor that he knew what he was getting into with Victor being so new and all. And for most of the season, Benji seemed to get that Victor needed time to talk and process. However, during the AA fight, it became obvious that Benji was never as really cool with everything as he pretended to be. Victor’s need to talk things out, his need to keep up a relationship with Isabel, and everything else really got on Benji’s nerves. But Benji never let Victor know. On the one hand, I get it. You don’t want to shut your boyfriend down. On the other hand, Benji was always pushing Victor to be honest and wasn’t being honest himself. This was obvious from the first watch. What occurred to me later is the probable reason why Benji was being like this.
I think Benji was feeling tremendous pressure to be the perfectly knowledgable boyfriend/guru, which is not a good combination. He seemed to feel that he couldn’t share his feelings with Victor because he didn’t want Victor to shut down, but he needed to find a way to share them. When he didn’t, he exploded at Victor and one thing led to another and they took a break. Benji seemed to think that he couldn’t be vulnerable or needy or anything other than the strong flying buttress of support. And no one can be that. Now, I will say that it is possible that he talked with his sponsor or someone else, but absent any proof in the story (either verbal or visual), we have to assume he didn’t. And that is something the two of them really need to sort out if they want to have a chance together. Now that Isabel is out of the way, that should ease a lot of the pressure, but they still need to both communicate with each other better than they have been.
At some point, I’ll write a post about what I want to happen in season 3 now that the show is officially coming back. Until then, bye y’all!
Saturday, June 12, 2021
Some Thoughts About Love, Victor Season 2
Thursday, May 20, 2021
Love, Victor Season 2 Trailer
Sunday, February 28, 2021
Some Thoughts About What I Hope to See in Love, Victor Season 2
So I just finished watching Love, Victor for the 10th time (yes, I am a little obsessed, deal with it). This is my first time rewatching it since they announced that it will be coming back for Season 2 on June 11th. This time, I decided to rewatch with an eye towards what I would like to see in Season 2.
To refresh: Victor Salazar is a young man who moved with his family from Texas to Atlanta, Georgia after his mother had an affair (it seemed to be more emotional than physical) with his dad's boss and after his dad was fired for attacking his boss over the affair. Victor's sister Pilar is incredibly upset about moving and his brother Adrian doesn't really seem fazed by the move. Victor was relieved to be in a big city because he was starting to realize that he was gay and on his first day at Creekwood High, he heard about Simon Spier who came out as gay and kissed his now-boyfriend at a carnival in front of most of the school. He writes to Simon on Instagram (they never say for sure, but based on the look, I think that is a safe bet) about how he was hoping to start over and that, after hearing about Simon, he felt upset and unsure about what to do. On his first day, he met Mia, a popular and pretty girl who is also quite kind; Felix, his quirky upstairs neighbor who can be annoying at times; Lake, a petty and insecure friend of Mia's who Felix is crushing on; and Andrew, a jock who nicknamed Felix "Lone Stone", has a crush on Mia, and who Lake is crushing on. He also meets Benji, an out gay kid who Victor is instantly attracted to. Over the course of the season, Victor and Simon talk as Victor dates Mia and tries to deny his attraction to Benji. When he and Benji go on a trip to get the coffee machine from the coffee shop they work at fixed, Victor kisses Benji and then freaks out. Benji is none to pleased about it and decides to move to another store because he has a boyfriend who would not be pleased about what happened. Victor sneaks off to New York to visit Simon and meets Bram (Simon's boyfriend) and their roommates who show Victor that there is no one way to be queer and that they are in his corner. Victor comes out to Felix, who gives him a hug and assures him that nothing has to change, and then tries to come out to Mia only to have events stymie him. He takes Mia to a dance where she catches him kissing Benji (who broke up with his boyfriend) and she leaves the dance with Andrew. Felix sneaks around with Lake (at her insistence) and then breaks off what they have when she won't go public. At the dance, she asks him to come up front and kiss and dance with her, making them official. After leaving the dance, Victor and Pilar go back home where their parents tell them that they will be separating. Victor, who had planned on telling them he was gay, decided not to say anything to make sure that there was no more tenseness, only to turn around and tell them, "I'm gay."
Ok, there was obviously a lot that I didn't hit (there are 10 25-30 minute episodes), but those are the highlights. So now I want to go through each main character and say what I am hoping we get from them.
Victor- First off, I am hoping that we get to see his parents' immediate reaction to his declaration. The Spring Fling was at some point during his sophomore year and Season 2 is in his junior year, so I am assuming there is a time jump there. I want to see how they react, not just be told about it. Second, he needs to make things right with Mia. I get why he didn't tell her right away, but he waited way too long. He hurt her tremendously and he needs to make it right if he can. But he also needs to respect her choice if she tells him that she needs space. Third, I am really curious about how he and Benji navigate his coming out and dating. Mia was Victor's first relationship, so this should be interesting. I am hoping that they start to retire the Victor and Simon messaging each other thing because Victor does need to learn how to do this on his own. I would like to see him get advice periodically, but not several times an episode like he did in Season 1. Finally, I want Victor to have more of a backbone. In the first season, he kept doing everything he could to help his family keep peace at the expense of himself. He needs to focus on himself here and not so much on them.
Benji- In Season 1, Benji was mostly the object of romantic interest. He got some character development, but not as much as any other main character. We learned that his coming out was traumatic (he got drunk and crashed a car into a Wendy's just before coming out to his parents in a hospital) and that his ex-boyfriend was very much not a romantic while Benji is definitely one. Benji is going to be in the interesting position of having to help Victor navigate coming out while being in a relationship with him. I also suspect that there is going to be tension between him and Mia over what happened with Victor.
Mia- I really felt for her in the finale. I know that when I was coming out, the idea of dating a woman (to try and force myself to be straight) and causing her pain by coming out was my greatest fear. Victor did this to her in spades. I am hoping she can forgive him eventually, but I am suspecting that it is going to be a bit of a road back. I really hope that we don't come back and they are friends right away. Victor needs to make amends and I want to see him do that. I am also curious about how she will handle her father and Veronica getting married and having a baby together. She seems to be the character who all the drama happens to, and I hope that is not the case. I really hope she and Andrew do end up together because he does seem to care about her. Unfortunately, I am not sure how she feels about him. so unless she can actually care for him, maybe they shouldn't be together.
Lake- It was great to see the character who was presented as a popular almost-airhead has depth. I really grew to love her over the course of the season and she and Felix make a lovely couple. Of course, I love the odd couples like this (I also love Mouth and Rachel or Mouth and Brooke on One Tree Hill), so seeing them together was like catnip for me. I do not like the way her mother talks to her and beats down her self esteem. I think her mom thinks that she is helping Lake by "being realistic", but she is not. I really hope Lake continues on her path to being less shallow and less concerned with what other people think.
Felix- Felix is the type of character I love. He is quirky, cute, and fun. Fortunately, he is also not too neurotic or insecure. He has been an awesome friend for Victor and has really helped Lake realize how awesome she is (I say helped because she started on her own, he just helped the process along). I am hoping that he doesn't change for the worse from being around popular people, because that seems to happen to this type of character a lot. He just needs to keep being the awesome person he has been.
Andrew- For the first several episodes, I intensely disliked him. He used Lake to try and hang out with Mia, gave Felix a dehumanizing nickname years ago, and tried to embarrass Victor due to his socio-economic status. About the only person he didn't hurt was Mia. Where I came to start liking Andrew was after Felix told him off for what he was doing (bullying people by making them the butts of jokes or by humiliating them) and Mia let him know that he might be a good person deep down. I think Andrew truly did not realize how much damage he was doing, because he did try and change after that. I was impressed that he didn't tell Mia about Victor kissing Benji and that he declined to go into Mia's house after taking her home after the dance. He wants to be in a relationship with her and is willing to wait.
Pilar- Honestly, she is the character I like the least. She is whiny, passive-aggressive, and pretty much the most annoying character around. I get why she is the way she is, but that doesn't mean that I like her. I am just hoping that she grows and become less annoying and less passive-aggressive (or just less aggressive).
And I hope Victor's parents get their shit together. They were fighting all season long and did not seem to get how much they were hurting their kids until Victor called them onto the carpet about it. Separating is a good idea because they need time and space. I am also hoping that they handle Victor's coming out with good grace. I am expecting some stumbles and some mistakes, but I really hope we don't get anything major like him getting kicked out or something like that. Based on how Armando (the father) reacted to the idea of Adrian potentially being gay, I am expecting him to have the most trouble. Isabel (the mother) is closer to Victor, so I am hoping that she handles it well, but it is entirely possible this could actually cause her to react worse if she feels betrayed or something.
Anyway, I really am looking forward to season 2 coming out. Until then!
Tuesday, June 23, 2020
Some Thoughts About Love, Victor
A teen drama with a protagonist who meets a sweet, popular character who is a love interest; another love interest; a jock who is an asshole; a quirky friend; a insecure person who wants to be popular; and other background characters. Over the course of several episodes, the protagonist struggles with who they really like while also trying to fit in and live their life.
If you're saying that this sounds like a perfectly ordinary teen drama, you would be correct. And Love, Victor has all of these. What sets the show apart is that the main romantic pairing is a same-sex pair. The ordinariness of the plot of Love, Victor is the very thing that makes it extraordinary. Much like Love, Simon, the 2018 coming of age/teen rom-com film whose world Love, Victor is set in, the show sets out to be run of the mill with a same-sex couple as the primary pairing. It has all the tropes and standard elements of the many, many teen dramas that proceeded it with that little twist. And that is, as I said, what makes it so extraordinary.
I remember growing up and having characters coming out of the closet be a Sweeps moment. It was a Big Deal. So having a show where the character is known to be queer and the show is about them coming to terms with that shows the progress that has been made. Don't get me wrong, we aren't at the Promised Land yet, but we have come a good distance.
The other thing that makes Love, Victor so great is that Victor is a Latino. Most queer characters who are leading characters in shows or movies made by major studios (as opposed to supporting or part of an ensemble) have been white males. There are exceptions to this (of course), but they have been just that, the exception to the rule.
I have to admit to a large amount of trepidation when I first heard about the show. Early on, it sounded like they were going to turn the movie into a tv series, which would have been a major mistake. When they announced that the show would have new characters, but set at the same high school, it eased a lot of my fears. I loved that the show had Victor DMing Simon to get advice and to tell Simon what was going on in his life. That gave the show a wonderful connection to the movie and allowed us to continue to be connected to Simon and Bram even though they weren't at the high school anymore. In a similar vein, I loved seeing Ms. Albright as the vice principal in the first episode. Again, it connected the show to the movie and gave us a very good reason for Victor to hear about and start communicating with Simon.
That being said, there were a couple of things I wish the show had done differently. First, I was not particularly happy that the only options presented in terms of sexual orientation were gay/lesbian or straight. There was no discussion that Victor might be bi or pan, which are very real orientations and are severely underrepresented on tv and in movies. The other issue is a familiar one. Michael Cimino, who plays Victor, is straight. While he did an awesome job and obviously cares very deeply about how he presented Victor's struggles, it is always better to have a queer actor play a queer character because they can bring authenticity to the role and the struggle of coming to terms with who you are.
With that, I can't say there was anything else I was unhappy about. The show had an episode that focused on the queer community and the way that the community really can be a family of people who want to cheer each other on and support each other as we work on coming out and figuring out who we are. I also loved that Simon and Bram had roommates of various orientations, gender identities, pronouns, and gender presentations. Again, representation matters. When we can see people who are like us, or when the straight world can see the variety of people who are a part of the queer community, it helps everyone. This is not to say that we don't have a way to go, but you have to start somewhere.
I think my favorite episode was the eighth episode where Victor went to New York to meet Simon. That was the episode I talked about in the last paragraph. It had great speeches from Bram who showed Victor that there are all sorts of people in the queer community, Justin (played by Tommy Dorfman) who explained how (for many, if not most, queer people) the person they showed to the world before they came out is a costume and how who they are after they come out is their authentic self, and then from Simon who explained to Victor why his roommates knew about what Victor told him. The fact that Victor was able to admit why he was afraid to come out, which was followed by a group hug, was also wonderful, as was his admission at the end that that night was the best of his life.
Another awesome scene was when Victor came out to Felix and Felix admitted that he didn't know the perfect thing to say, but that nothing had to change between them. That sort of unquestioning acceptance and affirmation is better than any long, flowery speech. It was a short, simple declaration followed by a hug that let Victor know that he had at least one person in his life who would not turn their back on him. It doesn't get much better than that.
I do have to admit to not being fond of the way Victor hurt Mia. I will grant that he was not intending to be hurtful, but he hurt her deeply nonetheless. I get why he didn't tell her when he was intending to, due to the fact that her father announced that not only was his girlfriend pregnant, but they were also getting married. Throwing in the fact that he was gay would have made an already messy situation even messier, so I get the hesitation there. Unfortunately, she discovered that he was gay on her own when she saw him kissing Benji. That is never a good situation.
I really hope the show comes back for a second season because the way they ended the first is totally begging for another season. Victor's parents announced that they are seperating, at least temporarily, and the episode ended with Victor announcing the fact that he is gay. If we don't get to see how everyone deals with that, I will be really upset.
Overall, the show was well acted, Victor's struggles were eminently relatable, and the characters were developed in a way that allowed them to break free of some of the constricting boxes that characters are often thrust into. If you like teen dramas, Love, Victor is well worth watching and enjoying.